Coelbren Alphabet & Tellstones

Does anyone know anything about Coelbren Alphabet or Tellstones? Not the game Tellstones: Kings Gambit created by Riot Games.

Coelbren Alpahbet- Wikipedia

About all I can find on the Tellstones is that its a form of runic divination rooted in Welsh tradition and there is a book by Adam Bryn Tritt Tellstones: Runic Divination in the Welsh Tradition

Hi @c11,

I only have one book on my shelf exploring Welsh traditions (The Book of Druidry: A Complete Introduction to the Magic & Wisdom of the Celtic Mysteries by Kristoffer Hughes) - I took a peek and it doesn’t look like it mentions Coelbren or Tellstones. But I suppose that isn’t surprising, as when I run a Google search for “Tellstones”, the only result is the book by Adam Bryn that says:

“Tellstones may be one of the least known (and certainly least documented) methods of divination to come down to us through the ages.”

That does seem to be the case! :grin: But there are more results for a search on the “Coelbren Alphabet” aka the “Bardic Alphabet”. It looks like there are a few books and resources out there in addition to Bryn’s work.

I read the Wikipedia summary and, while one can never be too sure about Wikipedia as a source, it looks like there may be some 18th century drama involved :eyes:

The Coelbren y Beirdd (lit. ‘Bards’ lot’) is a script created in the late eighteenth century by the Welsh antiquarian and literary forger Edward Williams, best known as Iolo Morganwg.[1] From Wikipedia: Coelbren y Beirdd

It looks like Edward/Iolo had a tough time persuading people that his Bardic script was “authentic” (although it’s unclear what exactly they mean by authentic - ancient? Used on a large scale by many druids? Not something Edward/Iolo made up? Something else?). His son also worked to try to persuade others about the authenticity of the script. It looks like the script was never “proven” and that some scholars believe it to be a “hoax”.

Iolo Morganwg suggested they were originally the work of bards from Glamorgan who had their manuscripts copied into collections stored at Plas y Fan, Neath Abbey, Margam Abbey and Raglan Library, and compiled by Meurig Dafydd and Lewys Morgannwg, amongst others, in the 1700s. These were suggested to have again been transcribed by Edward Dafydd, John Bradford and Llywelyn Siôn. Morganwg suggested that he had collected some of Siôn and Bradford’s manuscripts, while the majority, including all of Lewys Morgannwg’s sources, were lost. Numerous scholars, such as Glyn Cothi Lewis, concluded that the script was a hoax.[5][6][7][8] From Wikipedia: Coelbren y Beirdd

Of course, a handful of scholars saying something is a “hoax” does not necessarily mean they are correct, nor would it invalidate a form of divination that people are using and enjoying. Similar to the controversary around the Celtic Tree Calendar (some claiming it is “ancient” when it is actually a modern interpretation), whether or not something is “ancient” or “modern” is not nearly as important (to me) as whether or not the person using it finds it meaningful.

It’s helpful to know lore and history to make educated choices within one’s practice, but ultimately, we each hold full power to decide which tools/methods/traditions work for us. Meaning can come from anywhere. All that is to say, I’d encourage you to keep studying the Bardic Alphabet if it calls to you! I’d love to hear what research and wisdom you find.

Blessed studies, c11! :books:

Thank you so much for looking into it!

I agree. I cannot find anything except Bryn’s book which only seems to be on kindle or nook formats. Ill keep sharing what I learn about Coelbren y Beirdd (Bardic alphabet)

@c11

Looks interesting, I love learning about new things. :books:

I’m happy if anything I found was helpful! It is a very interesting rabbit hole to jump into and explore :blush: Thank you again for putting it on my radar! :heart:

Please do! Happy researching, @c11 :books: :two_hearts:

@c11

I am not sure if this will be any good but there is a book you can get on Amazon it is available in the US :last_quarter_moon::jack_o_lantern::dotted_six_pointed_star:

Thank you @Moonbeam I will have to look into this book and add it to my list :grinning_face: :triskele: :green_heart:

So this is really interesting and filled with potential rabbit holes :hole: Its quite long and full of history. I’m not claiming all of this is true or what have you. I haven’t watched the entire video but took some notes on what I did see. I don’t think Iolo “invented” the Bardic Alphabet but rather recorded or compiled or decoded it…something like that :woman_shrugging: I stopped watching around 31 min but plan to watch the rest.

Coelbren - The Concealed Biblical Language that Connected the Old World

Some notes

Greeks got their alphabet from Britain

Julius Caesar says that the Grecian alphabet is a lot like the British Alphabet

There is a relationship between Latin and Welsh because you can translate some ancient stones via Latin and via Welsh and extract similar meanings

You can decode Egyptian Hieroglyphs with Welsh. There is a book called “Cymruglyphics” by K.R. Bradstock

The bardic alphabet has been found on the Foundation Stone of Rome, the Lemnos Stele on the Island of Lemnos, the Lapis Niger Stone in Italy, Nineveh tables in Iraq, the Braxton County Stone & Grave Creek table both in West Virginia USA, and Iberia just to name a few.

Pic Left to right- Lapis Niger stone-wiki, Cymruglyphics by Broadstock-Amazon, Braxton Creek Stone-wvencyclopedia. com

@c11

Happy researching looks interesting. :heart: