â Moving our conversation here, @dan3, so as not to clog the post about Idad with general ogham information ![]()
Yeah, thatâs definitely the case. I think that comes from trying to homogenize the ogham to fit a wider scope, if that makes sense. It also stems from the fact that there is not one single source with the definitions and associations.
One thing that really requires understanding with anything Celtic is that information varied so widely, even within the same country. Folk belief and mythology about one thing can vary from county to county in Ireland, and so trying to make the ogham fit neatly into each category with its own separate tree gets difficult.
There are even several different variations of the ogham tree associations within The Ogham Tract. One by someone named Morann Mac Main and one by someone named Mac ind Oic. Below all of those meanings are more variations of ogham, including colors, churches, man/woman, and water.
If we were going based solely on The Ogham Tract by Morann Mac Main, the associations would look like this:
Beith: Birch
Luis: Quicken Tree (aka Rowan)
Fern: Alder
Sail: Willow
Nin: Ash
h-Ăath: Thorn (literally, it just says âthornâ, but this is inferred to mean the hawthorn due to the region)
Dair: Oak
Tinne: also possibly oak based on the phrase included (Trian, t, another thing the meaning of that today.)
Coll: Hazel
Ceirt: Apple Tree (this fĂd is sometimes spelled with a âqâ)
Muin: Vine
Gort: Ivy
nGĂŠtal: Broom
Straif: Sloe (another name for Blackthorn)
Ruis: Elderberry
Ailm: Fir
Onn: Furze
Ăr: Heath (aka heather)
Edad: Aspen
Idad: Service Tree (with yew in place, because a type of yew was another name for a service tree)
Ebad: Aspen
Ăr: Spindle Tree
Uillend: Woodbine (another name for honeysuckle, per the text)
PĂn: Gooseberry
Emancholl: unclear (per the text, it says âLuad soethaigâ is âa lot of stuffâ in modern Irish, and the text says: âLuad soethaig, expression of a weary one, i.e., ach, ah! uch, alas! that is emancoll, ae, with him, for emancoll is taken for ach, though it may be taken for something else.â
Now, if we look at the other writer, we get this list.
Beith: Birch
Luis: Elm (given as another name for Quicken Tree)
Fern: Alder
Sail: Willow
Nin: Ash
h-Ăath: unclear (per the text, âBanadh gnuisi, blanching of face, fear, huath, h, for blanched is a manâs face when he is encompassed with fear or terror. Hence for the Ogham letter owing to identity of name between the same two, uath stands for each of them.â)
Dair: Oak
Tinne: also possibly oak based on the phrase included (Trian, t, another thing the meaning of that today.)
Coll: Hazel
Ceirt: Apple Tree (this fĂd is sometimes spelled with a âqâ)
Muin: unclear (per the text, âArusc n-airlig, condition of slaughter,muin a manâs back, m. Hence for its synonymous letter.â)
Gort: Ivy
nGĂŠtal: no entry
Straif: Sloe (another name for Blackthorn)
Ruis: Elderberry
Ailm: unclear (per the text, âTosach fregra, beginning of an answer, that is ailm, a; for the first expression of every human being after his birth is a.â)
Onn: Stone? (per the text, âFethim saire, smoothest of work, or fedem, onn, stone, o.â)
Ăr: Heath (aka heather)
Edad: Aspen
Idad: Yew (this text also mentions the Service Tree)
Ebad: Woodbine (given also as aspen)
Ăr: Heath (aka heather)
Uillend: Woodbine (given also as honeysuckle)
PĂn: Gooseberry
Emancholl: no entry
The trees I have associated with the fĂd here come from Weaving Word Wisdom by Erynn Rowan Laurie. I know her associations differ slightly from Morganâs, and I think they even vary slightly from Lora OâBrienâs, the person who runs The Irish Pagan School and subsequent Ogham Academy. However, this book did come recommended by Lora OâBrien, so it is a valuable resource.
Erynn also notes in her book that sheâs not a scholar and she doesnât have any formal higher education.
I am not a scholar. I donât have a degree or any formal higher education to speak of, yet I respect learning and the work of scholars. I hold myself to certain standards of accuracy in my research as well as valuing the importance of imbas or poetic inspiration. Within the movement currently known as Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism or CR, both scholarship and inspiration are valued. We who follow this path puruse both aisling â vision â and archeology. We seek evidence for the authentic old ways of the early Celtic peoples and attempt to develop what we find into useful and valid ways of living, thinking, and celebrating a vibrant and vital spirituality based in the present that looks to the future as well.
If youâre interested in learning ogham, I highly recommend this book. It has footnotes, a detailed bibliography, and is heavy with citations. Erynn Rowan Laurie also helps run (or at least helped with the creation and writing) of Paganachd, a website dedicated to Celtic Reconstructionism. It has an FAQ, resources, and so much more.