Exactly! Magick is so wonderfully vast- I don’t think anyone could possibly master every single area of the Craft, just like no one person could ever fully master every career path out there in the work world. Instead, we all pursue our interests and cultivate skills in the areas that we enjoy the most.
I hope you have fun branching into different areas, exploring, and developing your talents, Eliza! And who knows- maybe someday your path will lead you back into dream magick sometime in the future. Time will tell all!
You’ve had some very intense nightmares- sending big hugs to you, Marta!
I don’t know if they quite cross the line into nightmares, but my bad dreams often involve problems with cars too- it’s technology in general. I cannot drive at all, the car will swerve and skid and never go where I want. Phones don’t work and computers won’t turn on.
I realized it’s because technology is something that, deep down, I feel that I have little to no control over. This isn’t always true, but it’s feelings and emotions (and not facts) that are reflected in one’s dream world. My best workaround is to use whatever lucidity I have or confidence I’m feeling and direct my dreams to places where there is no technology involved. Not a fix as much as a bandaid over the problem, but it works
Honestly, as a creator and community leader online, I see a lot of people get hung up on finding meaning and magic within every single thing in life. It can be exhausting, and signs and meanings aren’t found everywhere. Sometimes a dream is just our brains doing what they’re supposed to, ya know? It’s totally okay to put your focus elsewhere and only focus on dreams when they catch your attention or happen repeatedly.
It’s interesting how different our experiences are, I could say I’m your polar opposite here! I’m interested in my dreams exactly because I feel everything is important and connected. Yet that also in a way means nothing is Sometimes there’s something that may feel especially relevant, and it will make itself known. I guess that’s exactly how the subconscious works, you can’t make it do anything, all you can do is relax and listen.
I do this, and at least for me the “secret” is to cultivate a mindset where you don’t do it, it does you. The intellectual kind of meaning making is fun and satisfying sometimes, but I can’t keep it up for long. But feeling the magic as it happens, learning to enjoy things and be with them without too many stories, being immersed in the beauty around me and the feelings that come up, that’s the thing.
That is a real danger though, go in too deep and you might become a dreamer like me, barely hanging on to this physical world, and completely unemployable…
Thanks! They do continue though, doesn’t matter what I do. Looking on a watch or “realising” it’s a dream doesn’t help in my case. Whatever I am dreaming of, continues like a fixed scenario. I have a feeling dreams are far more complicated than we see them. Redirecting a dream is sooo cool! I wish I could do that, too. It is a bandaid and it can totally fix it. Interesting.
Hello! A dream like that, of course you’re going to be shook up for days, sending good positive vibes to you! Sometime ago I’ve had bad dreams that got me shook and I’m like what the heck for awhile. Wish our minds when dreaming could be more gracious with showing us situations. Really could do without the horribleness.
Totally with you on that!
That’s excellent you can do that! Food for thought, technology, how much control do we actually have over it? I always perceived it as something I’m very much in control of. But YES, there are times we cannot get it to work or do what we want or need it to do, then the mindless scrolling, etc. So the question, how much control over technology do we actually have control over? Pretty cool to ponder on, I’m deterring a bit here.
That’s true I’ve seen it with myself and others, I can only just imagine how much you’ve seen and heard! I’m at the point where I’m trying not to do that, want to lose what’s not working.
My eyes sparkled reading this, very beautiful. It is nice to see the magic all around like that too. I don’t want to lose that either, but instead of doing it all the time, will set a time, date, and location to do that, somewhere nice, serene, pretty!
Agreed- it is an interesting thing to ponder on! I certainly feel that I have very minimal control over technology even when awake. Maybe the physical parts (hardware) to some extent, but the software and programs and coding? Bascially no control
And Mercury retrograde making everything go haywire certainly didn’t help much with my technology self-confidence levels!
It’s called lucid dreaming! It involves training yourself to realize that you are dreaming so that you can then bring some of your conscious mind into the dream world and take control. With some training and patience, I think it’s an ability that anyone can do and improve at- it’s a skill like any other!
If it’s something you’re interested in, there are some more resources in the Lucid Dreaming Discussion.
I think a lot of my experience comes from the fact that I’ve been on medication that gives me strange dreams. It’s one of those things that’s like… the dream is strange but there’s no real meaning there because the medication messes with my brain’s perception of reality. A lot of my dreams are also trauma processing, and half the time I don’t remember the dreams in the first place!
I like the way you’ve explained this. It’s sort of like… you don’t need to go looking for the magic because it’s already there. You’re just open to it, so things are more noticeable when they’re important!
It could also be something that’s not right for you right now, but when revisited later or given space to simply exist, it will become more important or noticeable.
This is a good point, I’ve heard some strong pain medication for example can do it. I haven’t seen those dreams myself, but I have a feeling that they could be mirroring collective instead of personal consciousness, and that way feel more removed from our own lives.
Hmm… that is a possibility! I had never thought of that. Now it makes me wonder about them and their potential meanings (if there are any) – too bad I can never remember my dreams that’s always the hardest part for me!
Aww yay! I’m glad
Yes, exactly this! It’s amazing how much there is to learn, always!
Interesting point. I, too, feel we are very much in control of the technology itself.
I think things like the mindless scrolling and so on aren’t inherent to the tools (technology), but the things provided on the tools to cause addiction intentionally. Because of that, I see the user experience (UX) of the apps we use as not technology, but more akin to the music played by an instrument.
Another analogy might be that our devices are like buildings, with each app being a different room offering a unique experience. Imagine walking down a vibrant street where every storefront is a spectacle, clamouring for your attention. The most enticing ones are often the most cunningly designed, luring you in and then, subtly or not so subtly, trying to keep you there as long as possible.
In this imaginary marketplace, our devices become the stage for many performances. Just like a violin can produce a haunting melody and a discordant screech, the same device can offer enriching experiences and mind-numbing distractions. It’s the composition played on the technology, the UX of the apps, that dictates whether we feel uplifted or drained.
I’m not sure if this will help, but code often gets a reputation for being complex and unfathomable, contributing to a sense of mystique around technology. But really, code is about straightforward, “dumb” logic. It’s a series of instructions, as literal as it gets, with no room for interpretation or improvisation.
Code is very literal. A program can only follow the specific instructions given to it, with no ability to read between the lines. This nature can lead to amusing or frustrating outcomes. When programs act up, it’s often because the logic gets tangled, like wires crossed in a circuit. It’s not dissimilar to trying to multitask in a hurry and ending up causing minor chaos – like reaching for a boiling kettle, getting distracted by a knock at the door, and in the whirlwind, knocking over a vase. Or trying to pick up a plate, a mug, and a cat with one hand and dropping everything.
Okay, I think I just proved your point that they can feel as though there’s no control over them. Oops?
My new belief: code is both order and chaos combined, its ability to function, a precarious balance of simple instructions grown into complex structures akin to a gigantic digital Rube Goldberg machine.
@starborn Technology I have a love/hate relationship with it. Alot of my spiritual development is, admittedly done on my phone, my Spells8 app, my Labyrinth tarot app, my demon app, wiki app, kindle app. And my gallery of Loki, and Valhalla app, oh my days, it’s all here in my phone. Then there’s Loki himself, who is a tech god, I think I’d loose my link a little if I didn’t have tech or WiFi going through. Oh and there’s zoom which is how I get my Psychic readings from The College of Psychic Studies, and my lessons with them, then there’s email to connect to my Aunty. Wow , thinking now on tech am I an addict .
Then I get overwhelmed, and I want to burn the thing, or it crashes or the data goes down and I just , yes I’m an addict. . I don’t scroll though, I don’t have social media, only WhatsApp and I don’t follow their update thingys, just text friends so I guess that doesn’t count as social media. Spells8 I class as a coven, so no, no social media, I think.
Am I in control of my tech, no, I think Loki’s in control , don’t know if I’ve gone off point here, this is about dreams. I’ve never dreamt about tech, but I belief WiFi influences sleep patterns. I must admit I sleep heavier with WiFi off, but don’t remember my dreams as well. The College of Psychic Studies said entities love WiFi, so maybe as I leave it on, my dreams are more vivid? Don’t know. Before the days of tech magicians had vivid dreams? Maybe it’s just as it’s there, the WiFi, the gods use it, if it wasn’t there, they wouldn’t use it, or maybe it’s always been there, and they’ve always used it, we just didn’t know they used it, cuz we didn’t know it was there! (That’s sounding alot like chaos, I’ll stop now, I’m confusing myself )
I’m at my computer every waking hour of the day, for work, leisure, and socialising. I’m right there with you.
Although, whenever we’ve had power outages, I seem to just go read a book instead. Or go for a walk. Or have a bath. Or play a board game. Or my partner and I have one of our usual 1-6 hour long philosophical discussions. So perhaps that doesn’t fit. Addiction usually implies one gets stressed when the source of the addiction is lost, right?
@starborn That’s true, if it goes down, I have an initial , then I too read a book, usually at Costas, as I’ll just go out , then that makes me a coffee addict (replacing the tech with caffeine ), such fun
And it makes sense about the simplicity of the 0s and 1s- at that point, it does indeed seem very organized! It just seems to get so complicated so quickly after that- in the same way that languages do too. At first it’s all “hello” and “I am [name]” and then before you know it, it’s all exceptions and grammatical errors and
The “order and chaos combined” is perfect! That seems fitting
Oh no. I have so many languages where that’s basically all I have.
But I’ve noticed that’s the point of mastery of both language and socialisation. Figuring out when it’s alright or even normal to break the rules.
Anyway, in terms of how the dream world has helped… I have an example from the sleep I just woke up from, so I thought I would point it out here.
(If you go to the thread, a content warning as I give context to the dream right after which starts hinting towards childhood abuse and negligence.)
I think my next steps from that are to do some ritual of letting go. I did that combo freezing spell and included this person – Harmony's Shield: A Freezer Spell for Conflict Resolution – but I think it’s time to just cut the cord. Be done. Totally “f-- it.” And it was the dream world that finally helped me realise this.
I quoted this to note this for myself as future reference, a great way to categorize something if it’s an addiction or not. Categorizing and compartmentalizing is my new thing now!
I didn’t think of it like that. When I do reading with my tools, my spiritual guide has me keep my phone in the other room, not near me. If I have the phone near me, my readings come out wonky. I didn’t ask why, just did it. This makes so much sense. It’s an extra step to do this, because when I have questions that’s on my phone, and I have to print or write it out, or go back and forth between rooms.
I have the similar sentiment. For many months now, when I go to bed, keep my cell phone out in the living room to charge over night while I sleep in my bedroom.
Just to throw this into the mix, a little off, but Black Tourmaline contains a high concentration of iron, it’s good to keep in your home and around electronics to absorb electro magnetic fields (EMF). The magnetic nature of iron pulls the electro magnetic frequencies towards itself.
lol, you proved your point super too!
With technology, more with computer programs. Yes, we have control over the choices we make, which door we choose as you put it. I, for sometime, wrongly attributed my social media scrolling with addiction. An addiction is as you hit nail on the head in few words causes stress when no longer use, and there is something I am very much addicted too, cause without it, it causes me a lot of stress and withdrawal. But when I don’t use social media, I don’t get stressed out. Just do something else. So I changed my assessment that social media scrolling isn’t an addiction, and I have more control over it. If it causes stress for someone not going on social media, then that is an addiction.
I’m interested in my dreams exactly because I feel everything is important and connected. Yet that also in a way means nothing is 
that is a possibility! I had never thought of that. Now it makes me wonder about them and their potential meanings (if there are any) – too bad I can never remember my dreams 
It’s amazing how much there is to learn, always!
, thinking now on tech am I an addict 
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. I don’t scroll though, I don’t have social media, only WhatsApp and I don’t follow their update thingys, just text friends so I guess that doesn’t count as social media. Spells8 I class as a coven, so no, 
no social media, I think.
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