💀 Memento Mori: What happens when we die?

While death is an important topic that can be empowering to explore, it can also be a difficult topic. Please remember to be mindful if you choose to engage in the discussion. Thank you!

Merry meet,

Autumn is arriving here in the Northern Hemisphere, and Mabon marks a season of bounty and harvest. But it is also a stepping stone on the waning journey that began at Litha. The length of the days are decreasing as we approach the darker part of the year. With this in mind, the beautiful burst of color that autumn brings seems like a final blaze - nature erupts in red, orange, and yellow before fading like ash into the muted colors we find around Samhain :tree_of_life:

This is a time of endings and the season of death - but although it can be somber, it doesn’t have to be a season of sadness. Holidays like Day of the Dead, Obon, Halloween, Samhain, and All Saint’s Day bring light and even joy to this time of year. Humanity has a long history of bringing light to the darkness and pushing beyond barriers to find answers and meaning :candle:


Picture from Lantern Festival: In the Spirit of Obon

So, as the season of death approaches with all its darkness and its lights, we find ourselves interacting with the theme in many different ways. And if you’re similar to me, you may find yourself wanting to turn the next page to see what happens next - even after you’ve reached the metaphorical back cover of the book of life.

What happens when we die?

If this is a topic you’re interested in, then this space is here for you. Please know that this discussion does not claim any “right” or “wrong” answers about death, but rather aims to provide information and a welcoming space to help you explore the topic. I hope it, and any insights added in the comments by the coven, can help you build your own beliefs around death and the afterlife.

Death Across Traditions :books:

Humanity has long been fascinated, worried, scared, and even obsessed with finding out what happens after death. Because modern science focuses on the physical aspect of death, people turn to spiritual practices to find answers. Religions and other spiritual traditions often offer answers to death and provide explanations about an afterlife. Studying the answers offered by these paths can help one find which answers resonate (or don’t resonate) with them. So let’s take a look at a few common beliefs!

Disclaimer that these are general overviews gathered from sources - they may not adequately cover the varying beliefs of the many branching sects within a tradition. Please feel free to dig deeper with your studies if you see something that interests you.


Picture from In Your Pocket: All Saints’ Day

Christianity

Most Christian traditions say that when the mortal body dies, the immortal soul or essence of a person goes to another realm. Those who were virtuous in life are granted entrance to a blissful heaven to be with their God for all eternity. On the other hand, sinners are sent to be punished in hell. There is also a liminal realm known as Purgatory in between heaven and hell where those with minor sins may find purification, and can then move on into heaven.

Christianity generally portrays the human soul as a unique and individual part of the person. Death is believed to be a final state where all of the deeds of life are tallied up and judgement is given, and the soul rests forever in their assigned afterlife.


From Japan Guide: Okunoin Temple

Buddhism

Most forms of Buddhism believe that the life we live now is temporary and that all life exists in a cycle of life and death called samsara. The cycle is directed by karma, which rewards those with ethical behavior with better circumstances in their next life. On the other hand, those who act unethically are punished with worse circumstances in their next life. With this in mind, a driving goal in Buddhism is to escape the cycle of samsara and no longer be reincarnated. This is called Nirvana or enlightenment.

One variation is Zen Buddhism, which generally puts more empathize on the present moment (life) than what happens after death. However, some Zen Buddhists believe that through their training, they can achieve the goal of returning to peaceful nothingness.

Although some types of Buddhism believe in heavens and hells as different worlds that can be reincarnated into, the ideal afterlife is Nirvana. However, Nirvana is usually depicted as a state of mind as opposed to a realm.


Spells8: Summerland and the Afterlife: The Beauty of Rest and Rebirth

Wicca

Wicca offers a mixture of both an afterlife and reincarnation. Wiccans believe in The Summerland - a different realm that can only be visited after death or via astral travel. The Summerland is usually depicted as a heavenly and happy place where souls may rest and enjoy time before they are ready to reincarnate.

One common misconception is that Wiccans view The Summerland as a final destination or a static realm. However, it’s important to understand that Wicca acknowledges the fluidity and cyclical nature of life, — see for example, the Wheel of the Year — and The Summerland is seen as a temporary stop in the soul’s journey. It is a place to reflect, learn, and prepare for the next phase of existence.

Another misconception is that The Summerland is a replica of earthly life. In reality, it is thought to be a realm of pure energy and spirit, where souls experience a profound connection with the divine and the natural world. It transcends the limitations of the physical realm and offers a space for souls to heal, grow, and reunite with loved ones.

From Spells8: The Summerland

As a nature-based religion, the Wiccan afterlife believes in cycles continuing after death. As such, death is not viewed as a finality or permanent state, but rather one phase on the spiritual journey.

There are many religions and traditions out there, too many to fit into a single post! If there is an afterlife or belief system that is important to you that wasn’t mentioned above, please feel free to share about it in the comments below.

You are also warmly invited to share your own thoughts and beliefs around death and the afterlife and their importance to your spiritual practice. Alternatively, feel free to explore this topic privately in your Book of Shadows or Journal.

Thank you very much to those who have read this far - I hope this space provides gentle support and hope for you during the season of endings and into the new season of beginnings.

In this life and whatever comes after, blessed be! :pray: :candle: :sparkles:


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I appreciate this, thank you. Really fitting for the balance of light and dark with the Equinox around the corner :heart:

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Thank you for this! This is a weekly discussion at my house. Lol. My aunt being Christian believes in the heaven and hell. My uncle believes in on true God but also believes in reincarnation and use to practice very dark magick. Me practicing many aspects of magick have different views than both of them. Somehow we always end up discussing what we believe.

Jehovas Witness has a totally different take on death than most Christian based religions. My oldest daughter is jehovas witness and has explained it to me. They believe when you die your soul goes into a realm between heaven and hell and wait for the big battle between god and the devil. When that is done the souls are judged and those that are evil go to hell with Satan. Those that have followed the law of jehovas will be the ones who repopulate the earth and come back to live on earth. There are only a select few (if I remember right it is 13 people) who go to heaven and sit on the right hand of jehova.

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We have had similar conversations in my house. Learning different aspects of religions that have to do with passing away is interesting because sometimes despite what they use for terms, each belief is very close to each other but can also be extremely different

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I love conversations like this one! I think it’s probably one of the biggest cosmological questions people think about, especially religious or agnostic people. I’m not fully confident in what I believe happens after death, to be honest. I think it’s easier to say what I don’t believe happens instead of what I do believe :laughing:

  • I don’t believe in an eternal resting place.

  • I don’t believe we are immediately reincarnated.

  • I don’t believe we are judged in any way, especially to determine what our next life looks like.

  • I don’t believe that time is linear, so I can be someone’s spiritual ancestor right now, even though I am alive.

I did learn something interesting this morning, though! My grandparents were Mormon, and though I kind of knew what they believed, I had no idea what Mormons actually believe about the afterlife. I’m not even going to paraphrase - I’m just going to quote the Wikipedia page because it is 100% not anything I would have ever imagined :exploding_head: Notes in brackets and highlighted are my own comments.

Spirit world

If a person physically dies without being given the chance to accept the atonement of Jesus Christ on the earth, they will be given that chance as a spirit after death. Necessary ordinances, such as baptism, can be vicariously performed [done after death] on behalf of the person in LDS Church temples.

Resurrection

Mormons believe that Jesus guaranteed the physical resurrection of all humanity. They teach that when Jesus physically died on the cross, Jesus’ suffering ended and his spirit left his physical body.

On the third day after his death, Jesus’ spirit returned to his physical body and he became the first child of God to be resurrected with a perfect and immortal physical body of flesh and bone.

Because Jesus was resurrected, all children of God who ever lived on the earth will one day be resurrected. Thus, the spirit children of God will all receive immortal physical bodies of flesh and bone, and their spirits and their bodies will never again be separated. [At first, I thought this would be so many people living on Earth…but keep reading…]

Final Judgment and the degrees of glory

After an individual is resurrected, they will be judged by Jesus as part of the Final Judgment. There are three degrees or kingdoms of glory which are the ultimate, eternal dwelling places for nearly all who lived on earth; a degree of glory is assigned to the person at the Final Judgment. Joseph Smith provided a description of the afterlife based primarily upon an 1832 vision he reportedly received with Sidney Rigdon and recorded as Doctrine and Covenants section 76.

According to this section of the vision, there are three degrees of glory, called the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. The few who do not inherit any degree of glory—though they will be resurrected—reside in a state called outer darkness, which, though not a degree of glory, is often discussed in this context. The ones who will go there are known as “sons of perdition”; sons of perdition are to dwell with Satan and his spirit followers.

Exaltation

Main article: Exaltation (LDS Church)

Members believe that after the resurrection and judgement many will meet the requirements to achieve exaltation or the highest level of salvation in the celestial kingdom wherein they will eternally live in God’s presence, continue as families, become gods, create worlds, and have spirit children over which they will govern. Church leaders have taught God wants exaltation for all humankind and that humans are “gods in embryo”. Exaltation is considered by the Church to be the “greatest gift of God” and is also called “salvation” or “eternal life”.

Exaltation consists of “the kind of life God lives”. In other words, exalted beings will live in great glory, be perfect, and possess all knowledge and wisdom. Exalted beings will live forever with God the Father and Jesus Christ, will become gods and goddesses, will live with their righteous earthly family members, and will receive the fulness of joy enjoyed by God and Christ. One of the key qualifications for exaltation is being united in a celestial marriage to an opposite-sex partner. Such a union can be created during mortality, or it can be created after death by proxy marriages performed in temples.

– Mormon Cosmology - Wikipedia

So, LDS Mormons believe that after resurrection and judgement, if you meet the qualifications, you will become a deity yourself. If your earthly family was married in the temple and followed the doctrines of Mormonism, you would all live together as a sort of God Family (that’s how I understand it). You would get to create your own world and have your own spirit children, exactly how the Mormon God has done with Earth and humans.

My grandmother wanting my partner and I to get married in the Mormon Temple makes sense now, but I didn’t know it went that deep into the Mormon cosmology.

I wonder if there are any other religious beliefs that sort of end with deification… :thinking: now I have something new to ponder!

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Death. I’ll answer this from my family’s viewpoint as opposed to religion.

My grandmother was a psychic and foresaw her death. It couldn’t have been manipulated either as she contracted an illness, went to hospital, was healed of said illness, ready to be discharged then dead. The death certificate reads “open ended pending investigation”, the doctor believes there was malpractice, nothing has ever been proven, she died before I was born. As a result my mother has never and will never have a psychic reading.

My aunty is a psychic. She sees ghosts/the dead. When she stayed with my mum she saw the dead girl that just sits at the top of our stairs. She also saw my spirit guide, a 12th century nun named Agnes from France.

I had a psychic reading last year, and she said my father in law would get seriously ill, but don’t worry he’ll be fine. Two days later he had a heart attack, was put on life support for a month, then the hospital said he will die, they removed life support and he breathed on his own. He is alive and amazingly he’s well too, like it never happened.

So, why do I share these tales. Someone somewhere shared this information, my family says it’s the dead that they talk too, the church says it’s demons! At the end of the day, I will have to wait till I die to find out but an interesting view was shared with me just yesterday as part of my Christian Mysticism studies with runes. Here it is:

A child is conceived in the womb combining the DNA of mother and father. Once formed the soul is placed into the baby. Before the soul is placed into the baby, the soul is with the light, perfect, uncontaminated. However once it’s transferred into the body it will start to collect information as the baby grows into an adult and lives their life. Upon death that soul and its story will then determine what happens next. Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, Spirit Guide, Ghost, Reincarnation etc. The soul is separated from the physical and goes somewhere to do something.

The runes communicate with Spirit. All spirit, from gods to angels and demons, to the dead, to elements. They will take the fastest route to connect to the relevant thing to get the result. I wonder if all divination do this too.

Is that what my aunty, grandmother and psychic talked too? Or is it really demons and tricksters? Again I can’t say for sure. But whoever or whatever it is, it spoke truth. And because it spoke truth, I trust in it.

Skal. :clinking_beer_mugs::green_heart:

@Mystique Thank you for sharing this. Must be interesting in your family discussing these things. :grin::green_heart:

@MeganB Interesting again, another totally different view from the norm. :face_with_monocle::green_heart:

@Susurrus I love these discussions too. Gets the little grey cells working.:thinking::green_heart:

@BryWisteria Fabulous topic, thank you :smiling_face: :green_heart:

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@MeganB interesting that you brought that up because I was just talking to my husband about the LDS church after we saw a couple of things on it and sort made our way to the Mennonites and Amish beliefs. I know they are separate but the lesser… Not understood but not as common in our area. We do have Jehovah’s Witnesses, the last time they made a visit to my home, I actually wound up having an entire conversation with them about being raised Catholic, but being a witch and dipping into where I was which I had no idea would spark a conversation, but the woman said, I was raised Catholic as well and obviously now I am a Jehovah’s Witness but we came together on several things then parted with no hard feelings and the three of learned something new.

I’m not entirely sure what I believe with heaven, hell, purgatory, judgment, exaltation, reincarnation and through to deification. But I know when my passed loved ones are around and have something for me. I know when my pupper is around me when I’m having a tough time or just need him or he needs me. I might not always know who or if there is more than one, but I know they let me know I still have them with me when things are heavy and I’m struggling.

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Weirdly enough this kind of reminds me of Valhalla and Ragnarok. Very interesting.

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I was born ‘into’ the Mormon / LDS church. I officially left it a few years back. Not for me.. it ended up not being what I thought it was, I guess I had my own head cannon / understanding for it lol.

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It was a long time before I really grasped Mormon and the LDS church. The most I knew for a long time, which admittedly was from sources that weren’t ever involved or knew much, so I though people just married whoever caught their fancy whenever and went to church a lot and were there own little community. Almost similar to Mennonites and the Amish… Very different but in some smaller ways similar. I didn’t know too much about Mennonites or Amish until I was older and was working on my genealogy to find out that my great-great-grandfather was the founder of the Mennonite church in Lancaster County, PA. So that was wild for me, but also explained all of the clergy members in my tree too.

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Thank you to everyone for your comments! I know this can be a complicated (and sometimes difficult) topic, so I appreciate you for coming in to share your thoughts and beliefs :heart:



@Melora_Fae You’re welcome, and I agree! It is a topic well suited for the season :fallen_leaf: :tree_of_life: :pray:

@Mystique I love that, despite different spiritual and religious beliefs, you can all come together and share your thoughts about death. I imagine you have some very interesting discussions together! :blush: Thank you for sharing about Jehovas Witness - I hear about them a lot, but I admit I didn’t know much about their beliefs or their ideas of the afterlife. I appreciate you sharing about them - thank you again! :heart:

@Susurrus That’s a great point! Despite differences, there are key elements or themes shared across traditions. It’s definitely interesting to explore! :grinning_face:

@MeganB For concepts like death with many possible explanations offered by traditions, I think your method of exploring what doesn’t resonate is a great way to help organize beliefs. And I wasn’t familiar with Mormon traditions - it’s very interesting to learn about! Thank you for sharing :two_hearts:

@tracyS Your family has a tradition of spiritual powers and practices - I think it’s really neat that you’re continuing the practice in your own way! Thank you very much for sharing! :hugs: :heart:

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Merry Meet All,

I read the comments and this is very interesting to hear the different perspectives. I will give my story the short and sweet version… I had an Life-After-Death Experience when I was only 5. I somehow knew that if I went through the “portal” (to use a word), I was there and would leave here (Earth)–so I turned around and returned. Ever since then I have NOT been afraid of death. In 2015, I had a major accident and wound up in a coma for a week (but no life after death experience). This is just 2 examples of when I “died” but I have 3 times now. I’ll be 61 this year. Last year, a close death, brought me back to the roots of the Craft. (I studied/used/tried before in my childhood, and even in adult hood always believed in malevolent and benevolent spirits, not angels, not demons but sprits/unseen entities) Because of the experience of last year, I returned and have been practicing daily, I have a hard time at Samhain about my daughters death; then I bring my mind back to the “circle of life” and KNOW that she is okay (and better, she had many mental and physical issues). To keep this short, hah….I believe that we go somewhere after death and see others (I saw this with my NDE at 5) and I believe in reincarnation (because of personal experiences). So, as I stated before I am not afraid of death. I always said/say, people don’t cry for the dead, they cry for themselves because they will miss (as DATA said on Star Trek), “the stimulus of the input” that they no longer have. I catch myself still crying for my daughter, and I have to remind myself of what I just wrote. Well, so much, for being short and to the point. Thank you all for listening to my diatribe….

Merry Part, Lady Gene

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It sounds like you have walked the edge between life and death several times and come back stronger and wiser each time. Thank you for sharing your experiences, Lady Gene - they are fascinating to hear! :pray: :heart:

Even when we know they’re in a better place, it’s still hard (and understandable) to miss our lost loved ones. Sending love and light your way as you honor the memory of your daughter this Samhain season :candle: :two_hearts:

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Hi @leilani1 - thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us. You’ve been through a lot and these life-after-death events are unique and intriguing.

My condolences on your loss. I think your perspective is deep and insightful - and I love how the Star Trek character of Data has been able to aid a bit in that!

I join @BryWisteria in sending you white light and love during this Samhain season, Lady Gene. :heart: :feather:

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