:silver_heart: Weekly Witchy CHALLENGE - Morality in Magick

Challenge entry

I ought to have a whole chapter on ethics in one of my books, but I don’t. This is something I need to work on. Yet, I’m certain that if I were to do a rewrite, I’d be able to piece together what I need. I think I shuffled the info in with personal beliefs.

In college, I’d heard that it is impossible to be a truly white witch because in order to heal, we kill germs. Do I use black magic? Yes: I wash my hands regularly. Not doing so is dangerous and gross. I once sat in a restroom waiting for my aunt to finish, watching people’s cleanliness habits. Of the 10 people I saw, only 1 washed her hands after using the facilities. That individual had a child in tow, so I could count her as two…

Do I ask permission? When I don’t, I don’t put much power behind it. Such things might be Irish style blessings, vague wishes, or something all in fun. Eve then, I’ve found it possible to get into trouble.

Do I follow a traditional code? Subconsciously, I’m still affected by the ten commandments, drilled into me, though so easy a rock under a tree could follow them. I like the laws of physics, though it’s not possible to break some of them. If there is any question, I cast it upon myself. Thus I already know what the 3x3 will be and can learn from it immediately.

Do I cast love spells? Absolutely not! That would require knowing what love is. I honestly have no idea what love is; and every time I have tried to learn, I have gotten into trouble. I’ve learned to tell myself there’s no such thing, and leave it to someone else.

Making people happy is tricky. I’ve found that I forget to include myself in the general populace. Others tend to ignore the giver. Happiness is not a common value. It is also not always what is truly needed. Thus, utilitarianism causes more headaches than it’s worth.

Consequentialism is just as tricky. Not only do you have to know every possible outcome before you take action, but you also have to be able to read minds in order to know what is needed and how the recipient will react in order to create the best possible chain of events. Call me childish in my ethics, but I believe only the deities could possibly be in control of all that. It’s too much for me.

All that sounds like a laundry list of what I, as a genie, could not do if you rubbed my lamp. I’m still learning all this mess, after all these years. Many things that people seem to want in life don’t make sense to me. After all, abundance is so much more than those little pieces of green paper people tend to collect. Turning heads isn’t necessarily good or good for you. Power depends on values, and morality is rooted in the values you choose in life.

I want to be independent so I am not relying on and thus a hassle to others. To be as independent as possible, I need food, shelter, utilities, clothes, transportation, communication, and supplies for my interests. As part of feelings of strength in order to maintain independence, I need to feel like I am valuable in some way… and that is where I get into the most trouble. All the rest is human defined civilization.

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I think our dogs may be related. Lol!

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Amethyst Challenge Entry

How do you feel about using Black/Baneful Magick in your practice?

While I’d like to stay away from baneful magick, I don’t know what I’d do if something really bad happened to me or my friends. I’d like to think I’d take the higher road but I’ve never been tested, you know?

How do you feel about casting Love Spells?

That’s a big negative for me. I don’t want something to turn into an obsession and I think that true love is one of the most wonderful gifts you can give.

Do you feel you must ask someone’s permission before casting on/for them?

Yes, unless it’s something like a freezer spell, which I don’t consider baneful. Not going to go up to a bully and ask them if I can put their name in my freezer, that would be weird.

Do you follow a code of ethics from a magickal or spiritual tradition (such as the Wiccan Rede, Threefold Law, karma, Law of Attraction, etc)?

I mostly follow the Wiccan Rede but I’m also of the thought of Don’t Start None, Won’t Be None. So I get conflicted over this one. Like I said, I’ve never had a curse laid on me or anything like that so it’s easy to say I’d take the higher road.

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CHALLENGE ENTRY

In my practice, I try to follow a code that is linked to.my beliefs. The Ancient Egyptians followed 7 seven key principles which were personified by the Goddess Ma’at. The Egyptians saw Ma’at as more than Just an ethical code or rules to follow. They saw it as the means of keeping both the human world and natural world in balance and free of chaos. Here are the 7 principle of Ma’at:








I try to adhere to these but will admit that I sometimes have “off days” where my standards may slip or when I dont fully consider others. Afterall, i am.not the perfect human that Ma’at essentially represents.

As well as the 7 principles, there are also the 42 lawsof Ma’at, also known as the negstive confessions. I have listed them below so you can see for yourself if you currently adhere to them. I will admit that some of them I cannot claim to have adhered to, especially when i was younger.:see_no_evil:

The 42 Laws of Ma'at

I have not committed sin.
I have not committed robbery with violence.
I have not stolen.
I have not slain men or women.
I have not stolen food.
I have not swindled offerings.
I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
I have not told lies.
I have not carried away food.
I have not swore.
I have not closed my ears to truth.
I have not committed adultery.
I have not made anyone cry.
I have not felt sorrow without reason.
I have not assaulted anyone.
I am not deceitful.
I have not stolen anyone’s land.
I have not been an eavesdropper.
I have not falsely accused anyone.
I have not been angry without reason.
I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
I have not polluted myself.
I have not terrorized anyone.
I have not disobeyed the Law.
I have not been exclusively angry.
I have not cursed God/Goddess.
I have not behaved with violence.
I have not caused disruption of peace.
I have not acted hastily or without thought.
I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
I have not worked evil.
I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
I have not polluted the water.
I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
I have not taken food from a child.
I have not acted with insolence.
I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.

Blessed Be

Alan

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Challenge Entry

Morality in witchcraft is something I have always struggled with. I know a few people that truly deserve to have black magic rain down on them, but I don’t want karma to come back on me. Let them reap their own karma and just sit back and enjoy the show, right? We all know that it’s not that easy, especially when someone hurts you or someone you love.

In 2009 I started studying witchcraft. Back then, it was harder to find information online then it is today. I was working nights and sometimes those nights were long and boring, but no sleeping on the job. Lol! I was surfing the internet and came across one of those tests. This one was what religion should you be. When I finished the test, my answer was “Wiccan”. What the hell is Wiccan? I started reading up on it and was fascinated. We didn’t have Wiccan’s or Witches in my part of the world, or so I thought.

I usually had to work holidays, but that year I had New Year’s Eve off. There was also a blue super moon that night. What a powerful night for my first spell, right? My spell was to make a witch bottle for protection, mainly from one person. She was one of my supervisor’s and treated people terribly. The problem was my intention was to do her harm instead of protecting myself from her. I realized this later. I preformed the spell at night, buried the bottle, and went to bed content, knowing that 2010 was going to be a great year.

When I went back to work, this person was meaner then ever and the first month of 2010 was hell. How could this be? The spell that I cast was doing the opposite of what it was meant to do. I felt like I had been cursed. I realized a few weeks later that I could follow the spell step by step, but if I was in the wrong mindset (angry) the spell may go in a different way. That scared me, so, I put all of my witchy stuff in a box and placed it in the attic knowing that someday (2021) I would go back to it.

Back to the morality thing, I never do a spell when I am tired, depressed, sick or angry. My mindset has to be in the right place. Will I practice baneful or black magic against someone? Maybe, never say never.

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Ostara,
Ow he or she is so cute :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: Ostara, I am in love!
I love his or her ears! And has so much personality!
Jeannie

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Thank you @Jeannie1. He showed up on my porch about 4 years ago. He had scratches all over him from being chained up. He was so scared, I could tell he had been abused. Now he’s spoiled rotten.

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CHALLENGE ENTRY
This was a good topic for me. Life has been so crazy! My brain is so frazzled! Anyway, I have a good grasp on my ethics and morals. With this challenge pertaining to witchcraft, I went back and thought about what witchcraft means to me. I thought that could help me define my ethics and morals better.

Simply speaking, witchcraft to me means love, peace and oneness with the universe. Again, a very simplified definition.

So, with that definition, I offer love to others. I do what I can to not cause harm to others. I treat others with respect. I respect and appreciate others’ cultures, beliefs and values. I also wouldn’t impose my beliefs on someone else. I do what I can to bring peace and joy into my life and others as well. I feel we are all connected, and if you put love out there that’s what you’ll see in the world. The same with respect.

There’s a lot of gray areas and I think we all know that, hence ongoing debates everywhere in the world. I know there are things I thought my answers would be black and white, but after some contemplation and reading others’ entries, it’s certainly not always black and white.

Would I use Black or Baneful magick? I’d like to say no. But, as others have pointed out, what is the definition? The other issue is, you never know what will happen in life and there may be a time I feel there is no other option.

Love Spells: I’ve never done one lol. I would not do one to make someone fall in love with me. I don’t want to interfere with someone’s free will. I would probably do one to find love if I wasn’t married. I might do one to support the love between my husband and me.

Generally speaking, I wouldn’t do a spell for someone else. I do agree with healing spells, as others have mentioned.

I don’t follow a specific code of ethics…karma is something I’m not sure where I stand…
Sometimes I think, “what did I do to piss off the universe?” or something like that. With all the bad things that have happened to us this year alone I question things. Like, what did I do to deserve all this crap? How much can one person/family take? Is there a reason this is all happening or am I supposed to learn something from it? I know this thinking is a very slippery slope, which can lead to depression and I need to be mindful of this. I have been asking these questions lately nonetheless. I’ve always been a positive person and believe things work out, but it’s been hard to believe that lately. Something really good has to be coming our way!

I’m not sure how or if that last paragraph relates to the topic but the mention of karma kinda got me.

Thank you everyone for the great entries! I needed something thought provoking to get me to reevaluate my own value and beliefs and why I’m a witch! Love you all! :heart: :two_hearts: :blush: :people_hugging: :witch_hat: :pink_heart: :grey_shades_heart: :infinite_roots:

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I love this! If more of us abided by this, what a lovely place we would live in!

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That’s sweet and I am glad he found a good home Ostara! Are pets make us feel safe and loved and that is the most precious gift anyone could ever ask for! Thank you for sharing your love story!
Hail Hecate
Jeannie

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I do agree that we all are connected. The craft helps me understand myself better and I love that we all share our thoughts and share our wisdom and feelings. We get to share our wisdom and experiences that tie into the craft!

I am very grateful to have a coven and members to share with my wisdom and experiences with! I hope too!
My thoughts might not always line up with yours or vise versa! We all come from different backgrounds and cultures and I appreciate learning about others perspectives and find that the more people I talk too the better and easier it gets to find that wholeness as a coven! Thank you Sivonnha that was said so beautifully and I was touched!
Jeannie

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It’s time for a friendly reminder:

:exclamation: This challenge will soon close :exclamation:

If you would like to participate and haven’t done so already, please post about your challenge experience(s) by the deadline:

Tuesday, Dec 5 at 7:00 AM EDT (Eastern US Time)


The entries shared so far have all been beautiful :clap: :heart: I know I said it before, but I’ll say it again because I think it’s important to acknowledge- ethics can be a really challenging topic. It’s an area deeply interwoven into experiences, some of which may be difficult to think through. So a big round of applause to all those who dived in and pondered on the theme this week- well done everyone who has explored the topic on their own, and a big thank you to everyone who has shared an entry with the Coven so far! :grey_shades_heart: :pray:

If you haven’t already shared an entry but would like to join in, this is your friendly reminder that you still have a bit of time left to do so.

Blessed Be! :silver_heart: :sparkles:

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CHALLENGE ENTRY

When it comes to Morality in Magick, I tend to keep my description simple yet each one has its own amount of detail.

First - I strongly believe that “whatever you put out, you get back times three”. I’ve seen this happen to several formal individuals in my life. One particularly person prided herself on her smile, when she wronged someone close to her, Karma took away her smile by causing her to lose one of her front teeth.

Second - I also practice the law of “if it harms none, do what ye will”. Not only do I reframe from casting spells that would cause harm towards, I strive to net even wish hard to them (even if they have harmed me). After all, it’s been said that when you believe in and eye for an eye, you evidently end up blind.

Lastly - My personal moral mantra is also just as simple.
Help whenever/however possible.
Remain as grounded and balanced as possible (don’t give into drama).
Never pass judgement on others.
Live as harmonious of a life that one can.

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Challenge Entry

I don’t personally engage in Black or Baneful Magick. I believe that the energies we put out into the world have repercussions, and I prefer to focus on positive and constructive practices. Magic, to me, is about harnessing energies for growth, healing, and understanding rather than for harm or manipulation. Everyone has their own beliefs and ethical codes when it comes to magic, and for me, practicing with good intentions is key.

Love spells can be a complex topic. On one hand, the idea of influencing someone’s feelings or actions through magic can raise ethical concerns about consent and free will. It’s essential to respect individuals’ autonomy and not manipulate their emotions against their will.

However, there are forms of love spells that focus on attracting love, enhancing self-love, or fostering positive energies that might bring compatible and healthy relationships into one’s life. These types of spells often center around self-improvement and openness to love rather than directly targeting a specific person.

In essence, the intention behind the spell matters significantly. If the spell aligns with ethical considerations, promotes positivity, respects free will, and doesn’t seek to control or manipulate others, it might be seen as a means of channeling intentions for personal growth and openness to love.

I believe it’s crucial to respect the autonomy and consent of others in any magical practice. Performing spells or rituals that directly involve or target another person without their knowledge or consent can raise ethical concerns. It’s important to consider the potential impact on that individual and their free will.

Seeking permission or consent before casting any spell or working magic that involves another person is not only respectful but also aligns with ethical practices. It ensures that everyone involved is comfortable and willing to participate in the energetic work being done. If the spell is intended to affect someone else, their agreement or at least their awareness of the intention is key to maintaining ethical boundaries.

Spells/Intentions that Align with My Morals:

  1. Self-Love and Confidence Spell: Focused on enhancing one’s self-esteem, fostering self-acceptance, and promoting personal growth.
  2. Healing and Emotional Well-being: Spells aimed at emotional healing, inner peace, and mental clarity to help navigate life’s challenges.
  3. Positive Energy and Protection: Casting spells to invite positive energy, protect oneself or a space from negativity, and promote a sense of safety and security.

Spells/Intentions that I Would Never Cast:

  1. Manipulative Love Spells: Any spell aimed at controlling or manipulating someone else’s feelings or actions against their will.
  2. Harmful Curses or Hexes: Spells intended to cause harm, suffering, or misfortune to others. Intentionally directing negative energy toward someone else.
  3. Financial Gain through Manipulation: Spells geared towards exploiting or manipulating financial situations or individuals for personal gain.

Grey Area Spells/Intentions (might consider under specific circumstances):

  1. Binding Spells for Protection: In situations where someone poses a threat or danger, a binding spell could be considered to protect oneself or others, but only after exhausting other non-magical avenues.
  2. Truth Spells for Clarity: Under circumstances where clarity and honesty are crucial, a truth spell might be considered cautiously, with a strong emphasis on ethical implications and potential consequences.
  3. Influence-Free Will Spells: Spells designed to subtly influence situations without impinging on anyone’s free will. For example, spells to increase the likelihood of a successful job interview without impacting the decisions of the interviewers.

The distinction between these categories lies in the ethical considerations, respecting others’ autonomy, and ensuring that the intentions behind the spells align with positive, constructive, and responsible magical practices.

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Challenge Entry

  • How do you feel about using Black/Baneful Magick in your practice?

If deserved, it then becomes a Justice spell. Binding and banishing, when needed, definitely go for it. Cursing and hexing, better to perform a Justice/Return to sender spell, giving way to a higher authority to levy the scales of Justice, just so to not be revenge. Revenge spells I personally don’t like, I feel it doesn’t add to peace or harmony, but more discord. Me personally, I don’t put curses cause I feel it’s too excessive, but I don’t rule that out, just I’m not there and I want to take care to not get there, that’s when things really go bad. I have done small hexes and jinxes, not to harm but send a message to stop a certain disruptive behavior in my space. I don’t have the time to go after, chase, wrangle, and hunt everything down physically to keep my space in the clear, so I resort to jinxing and hexing lightly.
The thing about doing these hexes, or jinxes, if I behave in same manner for which I sent out the jinx/hex. It will come back. I felt it once come back, it was weirdest, it was painful, and hard to dismiss it as something other than it returning to me. It was good though. Learned from it.

  • How do you feel about casting Love Spells?
    I wouldn’t cast them. But if someone else wants to. I would advise against it. But I do know people lead others on and play games, worse use unethical psychological techniques to get someone emotionally invested, if someone is desperate cause some guy or gal playing them. If they feel they need to perform a love spell, go for it. But I would recommend doing a love spell on oneself to love oneself more so he/she doesn’t get so attached to another like that. Sometimes I see these love spells as a form of Justice too.

  • Do you feel you must ask someone’s permission before casting on/for them?
    Yes and no. If it deals with my family, like my husband or kid, it hasn’t gotten to that point, things are good. But if I ever need to. Perform a binding or banishing or protection or whatever I need to do to keep my family intact. I won’t ask them for “permission”, I am the permission. One thing with performing spells is to not let anyone know you’re doing it for it to work (this is why I’m holding myself back from sharing exactly what I’ve done).

If it deals with other people, I wouldn’t cast. Only if the person comes and asks me specifically to, but still it depends what type of spell. I wouldn’t cast a Justice spell or put a jinx on someone’s behalf cause I don’t know the situation directly. I have to know directly if the person is deserving or not. Even then I would just coach the other person on how to perform one, and let them do it themselves.

  • Do you follow a code of ethics from a magickal or spiritual tradition (such as the Wiccan Rede, Threefold Law, karma, Law of Attraction, etc)?

My code of ethics right now is, do to others as you want done to yourself. So when I cast a jinx or hex for whatever, if I commit the same transgression, it will come back to me too. Honestly, I welcome that, cause I don’t want to treat others bad or do others wrong like that, especially if someone deals with me in good faith and I do that person wrong, let it come back to me.

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Write a list of three spells or intentions that you feel align with your morals: abundance spells, justice spells, jinxes/hexes, and good luck spells.

Three spells or intentions that you would never cast: break up a married couple, to break up a family, or forcing a spirit to work my will.

And then three more things that are “grey”- you wouldn’t usually do them, but might cast them under certain circumstances: curses, love spells, and calling forth certain spirits.

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Thank you @Jeannie1

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Challenge entry- I believe in the Wiccan rede “ Harm none and do as you will” I also
believe in the three fold law written by @Francisco that “ We are a magnet, and our intentions, thoughts, beliefs, emotions, and actions can dictate much more of what we experience coming into our life than one simple spell.

The Law of Attraction

My believe on baneful magic comes from a post @BryWisteria once shared about black magic

This quote resonates with my heart I have learned many things from the witches here on spells 8 that have both helped shape my morality and my craft. :infinite_roots::sparkles::sparkling_heart:

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It’s interesting that you include Truth spells in ethics. I was always the type to find Truth when it was being hidden- something Mom taught by hating and seeking out secrets. I learned to cast Truth spells on myself just because I was the one who wanted to know what was going on around me, to understand how the world worked when people refused to answer a simple question. Since my upbringing was so different from that of others, I seemed to ask a lot of questions that others thought I should already know. Their attitude that I was being stupid made it look like they were attempting to overthrow the government.

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Morality in Magick - Entry!

Darkness-Light
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:black_heart: Darkness teaches us about our power and strength.

:silver_heart: Light teaches us about our humanity and love.


The path I have walked through the years has changed many times. I have traveled into the light, the dark, and the shadows. I can’t say I have never done bad things or crossed the line.

When I was a youngster, I often had bad dreams and felt that I needed to protect myself, so I recited the Lord’s Prayer. Since I was raised as a Christian that’s what I knew. As a teen, I read everything I could find in the Library about witchcraft. I spent about 6 months learning about and working with demons. That was just a phase though, that quickly passed.

I kind of went overboard with the protection spells, because I was shutting everything out, good and bad. I later learned to send the negative energy back to the sender. Later I thought maybe that was not very ethical because sending the negative energy back seemed like it was only making things worse. So I learned how to transmute the negative into positive, which seemed so much more ethical to me.

I’ve only done one love spell ever, and that was on my high school sweetheart. We were married for 17 years, and breaking that spell was difficult after I left him. I no longer do love spells.

I like to ask for permission before doing a spell for someone. I also prefer to get permission before sending healing. However, I assume I have permission for the names in the Energy Exchange Circle!

I also work with light grids and portals sending healing to the earth and every living being on earth. I set the intention to be: for the best possible outcome and, sometimes I add to that, for everyone involved. I have learned how important the intentions I set are.

I always seek to not harm, but when it comes to entities and evil spirits my warrior witch comes out. So I take their banishment to the extreme!

With love :heart: and good intentions always

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Challenge Entry

Morality… something to ponder be it mundane or magickal. One of the first things sacrificed when things get really tough, along with loyalty, friendship and many things we should hold more dear. :black_heart:

Why would I do something magickly to anyone that I wouldn’t want done to me. There are too many that throw their morals aside at a whim with no thought of how or to whom it may affect. I have always tried to look at things from the other persons perspective whether I agree with them or not. They always have something to impart to me. As to whether I find any value in it or not may be questionable. :sweat_smile:

I was drawn to Wicca because of the No Harm thing. Though I do not follow Wicca as such, like so many things, there are bits and pieces that ring true to me. Many paths have taught me. Magick has led me down many paths. Without this coven I surely would have gone even crazier than I was, but I have always had some moral standard and hope to keep it, though I’m sure it will change with time like all things.

My mind is mush today, so this isn’t much…ramble, ramble, ramble. Love to all and may we all find our way on whatever crooked path we take. And take care of yourselves and each other along the way. That may be the most important morality, magickly or mundane :heart_on_fire:

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