Interesting, and reassuring to hear that the bed neighbor problem was resolved. Hopefully you get compensated for the damage and expenses for the security cameras etc.
I have been reading about spirituality for many years, but it is a recent situation very similar to yours that kind of pushed me to get into this “abracadabra stuff” and join this virtual coven.
Same here.
This is super helpful. Belated thanks for sharing this!
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I guess my question is why would you want to bring harm to others is it just because you don’t like someone and find them annoying or is it because they’ve done some serious harm like assault for example. I guess for me I always want to know the WHY? Like to me I just would never want to harm someone just for the sake of it. There would need to be a reason. I’m biast I guess as I do lean towards Wicca and Buddhism. I guess it’s just something I find it hard to get my head around. I’m not judging I’m just curious what’s the appeal.
This is on baneful Magick right? I’ve not used it to harm anyone. I used it once to detach myself from a harmful situation, to break the emotional hold it was having over me. It’s the one and only time I used baneful and blood Magick, but I needed something very strong to remove my attachment to the organisation, so I sort of did the spell on me. It broke the link. I don’t personally think hexing or the such works for me, as I think it prolongs the pain. I also feel it’s never good to do spells when your heart is in a bad place as it can effect focus. I know It can be hard to let go of pain, and negative feelings, but I found an old hoodoo spell from a witch who’s work I read about, that used baneful Magick to break yourself away from something and protect yourself emotionaly. I waited until I was in a calm state so didn’t do the spell till about a year after the event. Maybe it wasn’t 100% baneful I don’t know. But I do feel there’s a place for dark/light, Ying/Yang in the world. It’s up to us how we use those forces. Hope that makes sense 
It makes perfect sense and beautifully said. 
Hey good topic. I def think the saying is true “there is a time and place for everything”. The only limits people place is really on themselves. If someone thinks it’s the right time and place or right situation then by all means have at it. Now of course I would never recommend Willy nilly placing hex’s or curses on people. I have used some darker magic in the past and it is not off limits to me personally. I think the stereotype challenge fits good with this topic as well because there is a lot of stereotype around “dark” magic. People hear the words “black or dark magic” and immediately insinuate that a witch is doing necromancy or demon summoning and stuff. I say “don’t knock it until u try it” lol
I think this is a good question to ask in any situation, but I’m always the person to ask “Why?” to everything, too 
I haven’t cursed anyone, but I’m not opposed to it. They would have had to do something pretty damaging to push me that far, especially since I consider everything and everyone involved. It can be a lengthy consideration process 
but for me, that’s what I’ve gotta do to figure things out.
I personally wouldn’t, because I know that karma will come back to me. I wouldn’t judge someone else for it though, as that is their choice to practice. I know everyone’s situation is different, but if you need to I think it should be a last resort.
@bryce You’re absolutely right in that what we put out will come back, that’s why it’s something that needs to be done, I think, in a calm state of mind. I do believe however also that karma does use dark forces to balance things out, I guess you’d call that bad karma. For me, when I cast the spell, I knew I would be losing a part of myself in the process, but it was a worthwhile sacrifice for the freedom that I would be receiving, if that makes sense.
Absolutely Tracy, I’ve always been a firm believer of that. Like you I don’t want to lose myself in the process, typically before I would cast any spell I would contemplate how this would improve my life or someone else’s. Kinda like making a delta chart of pros and cons.
@tracyS… to answer 1 of your questions, yes… Black/Dark Magick falls under baneful magic. 
Magick is so wonderfully diverse and people cast spells for a huge variety of reasons- I think it’s really hard to lay a sharp and distinct line between what is baneful and what isn’t. Is there a spell out there that is 100% baneful? Or a spell that is 100% non-baneful, no matter who you ask? Maybe- but I’ve come to think that most things fall somewhere in the middle. How light or dark the shade of gray depends on each individual’s perspective- their experiences, their ethics, their reasoning, etc.
Personally, I don’t think any spell that was used to save oneself from a bad situation and help set them on a more positive path could be 100% baneful- I’m glad you were able to break free and that you’re in a better situation now, Tracy! 
This is a really good point, Zee- you’re right, it fits really well with stereotype challenge! There certainly are a lot of preconceptions around Black/Banfeful magick both within and outside of the witchy community. It’s a great point to ponder on! 
There MUST be balance in everything, including Magick. The light needs the dark and vice versa. I will do baneful magick as I see fit as I am not Wiccan but, mind you, I will always have a good reason for doing so.
It´s an interesting and much discussed topic.
Personally, I differentiate more between “constructive” and “deconstructive” magic.
However, I´ll rarely ever go to the trouble of hexing or cursing someone, because in my experience people are perfectly capable of messing up their lifes on their own. lol The only exception is when it comes to my child . Mess with me all you want, couldn´t care less; mess with my child - bad idea. 
EDIT: I forgot to mention, that hexing or cursing someone who harmed you can be VERY therapeutic, too. It restores a sense of control, when control has been taken from your hands.
As a victim of dv myself, it was very comforting to know, that when nobody heard me and police couldn´t do anything I still wasn´t helpless.
Hi, @Willow68, and welcome! Yeah, I’m more comfortable with the Gray myself. Anyone who says they are all goodness and light and would never do such a thing usually is lying to themselves. We all have a line that we’ll cross. It just depends on how far out it is.
I’ve recently updated my stance on this as within the Nordic practice there is no duality. What do I mean by duality? The monotheism of the worlds spirituality puts things as Good v Evil, Black v White, Light v Dark however in the Norse practice it is simply Order v Chaos.
This puts baneful casting in a totally different category, instead of intent you’re now in the energy area. So how does it work? Well it was illustrated like this:
Order - Aesir (gods) everything is well thought out, organised, all possible outcomes prepared and directed, then release the spell. 
Chaos - Jotun/Vanir (giants/nature spirit) it’s emotional, haphazard, reactional, consequences are not always considered, outcome is non directional, then release the spell and 
So it looks like this.
Order, is like a witch praying to say Odin and seeking his assistance, you hit the books, get the ingredients, put it all together, know where, what, why, how, who and when.
Chaos, is standing on a beach, invoking the giants then wondering why a tsunami has just drowned your opponent but drowned you too.
So how do Nordic witches use baneful magic, well we do, but instead of Good v Evil we invoke Order over the Chaos, so for example when invoking Loki (chaos and trickster, love him but highly unpredictable 
), you would also invoke Thor (order in nature) and whilst drawing in the natural energies of the earth -
(which is both Order/Aesir (Frigg) and Chaos/Jotun (Bestla Odin’s mother) mother earth can heal on a summer’s day, and kill you with a volcano)
to cast your curse/hex Thor’s energy will ensure Loki’s energy is contained and directed with minimal backlash.
Something to remember within the Norse practice are those wonderful Norns and the web of wyrd, if we cast in a state of bad intentions, those lovely Norns may rewrite our wryd (our story). The other consideration is Yggdrasil and the pool of tears. Everyone’s life, memory and stories go into that tree and become part of its energy. If we as humans are pouring into that well revenge, pain, suffering and hate we are contributing to an ongoing outpouring of that energy into the world - do we want a world like that?
Just some thoughts to ponder this from a different spiritual angle, which is not quite the Wiccan Rede but gives the practioner things to deeply think over in any type of spellcasting. I know Loki is my patron but as someone who’s worked with chaos and trickster/Jotun energy I would think very carefully before invoking Loki (or any chaos energy) in a baneful working even with Thor as a shield - afterall how do you control a tsunami.
Skal 
I think that with anything, there has to be a happy medium. Even with Good vs. Chaos, too much of either can be a disastrous thing.
Absolutely, it was illustrated to me like a river with a dam. The river is filled with fish, order puts a dam in it to control its direction and help the fish, after a while another dam, then another until no fresh water gets in, the river goes stagnate, the fish could die. So chaos smashes the dam, but smashes all of them at once, this in turn drowns the fish. Both are trying to save the fish, but can’t do it on their own - they need each other, so when they work together, order putting a few dams in, and chaos breaking the ones up that no longer work, the water flows, and the fish live.
Magic is nature so yes, balance is key. And nature doesn’t follow any threefold law, it grows and destroys, because it just is - we are the ones that can choose and I think that’s why I like to air on the side of caution.